there's a good book by campbell craig called "destroying the village" on ike's policy, helpful to me. there's scholarship on this. i'm a popular journalist who stands on the shoulders of academics, fred greenstein, and i hardly discovered this. i'm a journalist who knew there was a story here, and so i pursued it. anybody else? sir? >> on the vietnam thing, it's my understanding those two soldiers were killed by snipers so ike would say nobody died in combat so the debate is whether they were killed by snipers or combat. >> wasn't there an explosion or something? something like that, yeah. i know they -- ike uses that statistics, nobody killed in combat. i believe somebody in lebanon died in 56, an accident, some people count that as a death. look, you can endlessly pick over these things, but the essential point is that ike did not send soldiers into combat for a long time. what other modern president can make that claim? >> sir? >> yeah? >> early in the administration, china, and i don't know if the book touches on this, and in may of 1953, operation as a was developed, and they pla